The 35th President of the United States of America John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, USA at 12:30 […]
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The 35th President of the United States of America John F. Kennedy was assassinated on Friday, November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas, USA at 12:30 […]
Continue Reading John F. Kennedy Assassination Conspiracy Theories
Watch this. How people can still think it was a conspiracy is beyond me. Some people think Oswald had nothing to do with it?!! So so ignorant and stupid.
You are stupid. Oswald couldnt have done it. 6 shots were fired and they said Oswald had done it under 6 seconds with a bolt action rifle. That concludes its a conspiracy. Also when they intaragated Oswald, they didnt record a single thing.
Oswald Fired 3 shots, not 6. The Warren Commision interviewed 104 people who “heard gun shots”. 54% said they heard 3 shots and 34% said they heard 4. Not a single person claimed 6 shots. The first shot missed, second shot hit Kennedy just below the neck and third shot hit Kennedy just behind the left ear and exited out the right side. One shooter….. Lee Harvey Oswald!! Its just facts.
Ever heard of the magic bullet theory? There was definently more than three shots.
Not trying to 1-up you, but the first shot hit Kennedy just below the neck, the second shot missed, and the third one hit his head. If you watch the assasination, there is a 6 second break from when Kennedy was first hit to the time of the fatal shot.
If the 3rd shot hit behind the left ear and came out the right as you just said then their would have to be another shooter at a different angle.
tobad he got hit from the front and the back maby if you lnew somthing about guns u could see that their had to be at least two shooters
Maybe you should learn how to spell before you state your opinion on something as serious as this.
Maybe if you learned to spell, then you would be taken seriously…
The whole Warren commission was bullshit just like the 911 commission. You can’t take every word in either of those reports as absolute fact!
smc mrs jean hill claimed she heard 4 to 6 shots.
You are wrong!
Why don’t you Google AJ Millican or Jean Hill just for starters(there were others). You will find that both stated on the day of the assassination that there were 4-6 shots.
If there were shooters firing from different locations using different types of weapons at the same time & maybe using silencers – the number of shots would certainly appear to vary to those in Dealy Plaza.
For example – both Clint Hill (Secret Service) & AJ Millican testified that some of the shots sounded like they from a .45 caliber pistol.
Get your facts straight!
…..a.45 caliber pistol is an unrealistic conclusion, since it is wildly inaccurate after more than twenty feet or so.
Just because they heard that many shots doesn’t mean anything, haven’t you ever heard of silencers?
Oswald did fire the first shot but since the shots were about 5 seconds apart, there was no way he fired all three alone. I dont know who else helped him but i know it wasnt just oswald.
I don’t believe Oswald fired any shots. At JFK or Office J.D.Tippit.
how is it possible that a bullet curved so many ways ? how did lee H. Oswald an excellent marksman miss a first shot ? Why did the zapruder film be blocked by a highway sign the same second the 2nd shot hit him ? to many whys! not enough facts sorry !
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Ok so the people who are sayin that this is all Lee Harvey Oswald need to check the facts. There is a government coverup somewhere in this thing. If you watch the video you can tell that the shot did not come from the back. I am studying this in history right now and the theory that Jim Garrison is more unerestandable than the Warren Commission’s report. There is more since comming from the 6 shot thing than the 3 shot thing. If you live around a place where guns are fired 24/7, you know how guns work. There is no way on this earth that a bullet can curve like that! There were interviews missing from this as well. Watch the movie JFK if you think that the Magic Bullet thing happened.
Why do conspiracy theorists always have to twist facts and say unsubstanitated things to get a point across. One theorist, Robert Groden is still peddling his fiction in Dallas. I, for curiousities sake purchase both a DVD and a magazine. What I find funny is that both offer proof against his own theory. Both show diffenent frames of the fatal head shot. Zapruder 313 clearly shows a halo of brain matter and blood in the front of Kennedy’s face. At this time it completely blocks the face of Mrs. Kennedy. In this same still, one can also see a steam of brain matter and blood shoot up in the air above and angled in front of Kennedy. If he was shot in the front this simply wouldn’t have been the case. Both Connallys even say in an interview that they were covered in brain matter. This halo of brain matter and blood, the stream of brain matter and blood above and in front of Kennedy as well as the testimony of the Connallys show Kennedy was shot from the rear and the forementioned results were from an exit wound. I am really surprised that I haven’t ever seen this explanation. It seems pretty obvious to me. And for those who who say that Kennedy throat wound was caused from a shot from the front, then where did it exit? Why wasn’t anyone trailing him (either in other cars or motorcyles hit? And for all those who say he was shot in front from the grassy knoll must have never visited Dealy Plaza. The picket fence is only around 20 feet to the right (facing outward) from where Zapruder was standing. If this was the case then the bullet that struck Kennedy (if it was shot from here) would have had to exited out the other side of his head. But I have yet to hear anyone say anything about him missing any part of the left side of his head.
what conspiracy
The Zapruder film had a number of mistakes that point to a forgery and if you watch the taping none of the actions of the other people in the car make sense with what was going on. As well, if he was shot from behind, why the hell would his wife scurry out the back of the limo, if the video is even true? I’m not saying I know what happened, but I am saying Oswald had not a thing to do with it. Honestly just turn on your brains and think, 3 shots in under 6 seconds landing 2 in the head…..I am gonna save you all that trouble and play the bs card for you
That’s ok if you dont take into consideration just how many people had it out for Kennedy… I beleive that Oswald was there, fired the shot that bounced off the curb, (remember he wasnt a good shot in the marines) but that there were multiple teams. All of them ignorant of the others. That would explain the number and rapid succession of rounds expended in the time allotted.
Two witnesses placed him in a different area then the so called sniper’s nest. One was a coworker that seen him buying a coca cola from the pop machine only seconds after the shooting. The other witness was a police officer that hurried into the building after hearing shots from the upper floors. He stated Oswald was sitting in the lunch room. Many people were involved in this, and it’s ridiculous to claim Oswald did it. Here is an account of who all I’m trying to determine was involved with the conspiracy….
Allen Dulles (Fired by Kennedy, possible helped plan out assassination)
The CIA (Helped plan out assassination, helped both Mobs and Dallas Police Force, confiscated evidence)
George Bush Sr.(Worked with CIA and possibly helped both Mobs)
Richard Nixon (Worked with CIA and possibly helped Foreign Mob)
Fired Millitary Commanders (Possibly Helped plan out assassination)
The Head of Dallas Police Force (Worked with CIA and helped both Mobs)
Lee Harvey Oswald (Worked with CIA and helped Chicago Mob)
Jack Ruby (Paid off Chicago Mob and worked with CIA)
James Files (Chicago Mob backup shooter)
Charles Nicolleti (Chicago Mob Shooter)
Johnny Roselli (Assisted Nicolleti)
The Chicago Mob (Plotted out their hit on the president and followed through)
Lyndon Baines Johnson (Possibly helped plan out the assassination)
J. Edgar Hoover (Knew of plot to kill Kennedy)
The Secret Service (Followed orders to stand down, confiscated evidence)
The Dallas Police Force itself (Worked with Secret Service and CIA)
The Manager at Texas Book Depository (Placed gun inside building and organized sniper’s nest)
An inside person at Dal-Tex building (Helped shooter obtain entry)
The Warren Commission (Allen Dulles himself resided over, helped cover up evidence)
Life Magazine (Connected to the Chicago Mob and Zapruder film)
Dan Rather (Lied about watching the Zapruder film)
Bill Clinton (Helped cover up years later)
Operation Mongoose Individuals (Suspected)
Foreign Mob (Three shooters)
Now, you might look at that and think it is ridiculous or stupid, but it’s my best guess based on the circumstances of what was occurring at the time.
One thing you can’t deny is all the people that were killed who were connected to the assassination.
The list is posted below. This list alone proves no lone shooter took part in this thing, for none of this would have happened if it was a lone shooter.
11/63 Karyn Kupicinet Tv host’s daughter who was overheard telling of JFK’s death prior to 11/22/63 Murdered
12/63 Jack Zangretti Expressed foreknowledge of Ruby shooting Oswald Gunshot Victim
2/64 Eddy Benavides Lookalike brother to Tippit shooting witness, Domingo Benavides Gunshot to head
2/64 Betty MacDonald* Former Ruby employee who alibied Warren Reynolds shooting suspect. Suicide by hanging in Dallas Jail
3/64 Bill Chesher Thought to have information linking Oswald and Ruby Heart attack
3/64 Hank Killam* Husband of Ruby employee, knew Oswald acquaintance Throat cut
4/64 Bill Hunter* Reporter who was in Ruby’s apartment on 11/24/63 Accidental shooting by policeman
5/64 Gary Underhill* CIA agent who claimed Agency was involved Gunshot in head ruled suicide
5/64 Hugh Ward* Private investigator working with Guy Banister and David Ferrie Plane crash in Mexico
5/64 DeLesseps Morrison* New Orleans Mayor Passenger in Ward’s plane, Plane crash
8/64 Teresa Norton* Ruby employee Fatally shot
6/64 Guy Banister* x-FBI agent in New Orleans connected to Ferrie, CIA, Carlos Marcello & Oswald Heart attack
9/64 Jim Koethe* Reporter who was in Ruby’s apartment on 11/24/63 Blow to neck
9/64 C.D. Jackson “Life” magazine senior Vice president who bought Zapruder film and locked it away Unknown
10/64 Mary Pinchot JFK “special” friend whose diary was taken by CIA chief James Angleton after her death Murdered
1/65 Paul Mandal “Life” writer who told of JFK turning to rear when shot in throat Cancer
3/65 Tom Howard* Ruby’s first lawyer, was in Ruby’s apartment on 11/24/63 Heart attack
5/65 Maurice Gatlin* Pilot for Guy Banister Fatal fall
8/65 Mona B. Saenz* Texas Employment clerk who interviewed Oswald Hit by Dallas bus
?/65 David Goldstein helped FBI trace Oswald’s pistol Natural causes
9/65 Rose Cheramie* Knew of assassination in advance, told of riding to Dallas with Cubans Hit/run victim
11/65 Dorothy Kilgallen* Columnist who had private interview with Ruby, pledged to “break” JFK case Drug overdose
11/65 Mrs. Earl Smith* Close friend to Dorothy Kilgallen, died two days after columnist, may have kept Kilgallen’s notes Cause unknown
12/65 William Whaley* Cab driver who reportedly drove Oswald to Oak Cliff (The only Dallas taxi driver to die on duty) Motor collision
1966 Judge Joe Brown Presided over Ruby’s trial Heart attack
1966 Karen “Little Lynn” Carlin* Ruby employee who last talked with Ruby before Oswald shooting Gunshot victim
1/66 Earlene Roberts Oswald’s landlady Heart attack
2/66 Albert Bogard* Car salesman who said Oswald test drove new car Suicide
6/66 Capt. Frank Martin Dallas policeman who witnessed Oswald slaying, told Warren Commission “there’s a lot to be said but probably be better if I don’t say it” Sudden cancer
8/66 Lee Bowers Jr.* Witnessed men behind picket fence on Grassy Knoll Motor accident
9/66 Marilyn “Delila Walle* Ruby dancer Shot by husband after 1 month of marriage
10/66 Lt. William Pitzer* JFK autopsy photographer who described his duty as “horrifying experience” Gunshot rule suicided
11/66 Jimmy Levens Fort Worth nightclub owner who hired Ruby employees Natural causes
11/66 James Worrell Jr.* Saw man flee rear of Texas School Book Depository Motor accident
1966 Clarence Oliver Dist. Atty. Investigator who worked Ruby case Unknown
12/66 Hank Suydam Life magazine official in charge of JFK stories Heart attack
1967 Leonard Pullin Civilian Navy employee who helped film “Last Two Days” about assassination One-car crash
1/67 Jack Ruby* Oswald’s slayer Lung cancer (he told family he was injected with cancer cells)
2/67 Harold Russell* Saw escape of Tippit killer killed by cop in bar brawl
2/67 David Ferrie* Acquaintance of Oswald, Garrison suspect and employee of Guy Banister Blow to neck (ruled accidental)
2/67 Eladio Del Valle* Anti-Castro Cuban associate of David Ferrie being sought by Garrison Gunshot wound, axe wound to head
3/67 Dr. Mary Sherman* Ferrie associate working on cancer research Died in fire (possibly shot)
1/68 A. D. Bowie Asst. Dallas District Attorney prosecuting Ruby Cancer
4/68 Hiram Ingram Dallas Deputy Sheriff, close friend to Roger Craig Sudden cancer
5/68 Dr. Nicholas Chetta New Orleans coroner who on death of Ferrie Heart attack
8/68 Philip Geraci* Friend of Perry Russo, told of Oswald/Shaw conversation Electrocution
1/69 Henry Delaune* Brother-in-law to coroner Chetta Murdered
1/69 E.R. Walthers* Dallas Deputy Sheriff who was involved in Depository search, claimed to have found .45-cal. slug Shot by felon
1969 Charles Mentesana Filmed rifle other than Mannlicher-Carcano being taken from Depository Heart attack
4/69 Mary Bledsoe Neighbor to Oswald, also knew David Ferrie Natural causes
4/69 John Crawford* Close friend to both Ruby and Wesley Frazier, who gave ride to Oswald on 11/22/63 Crash of private plane
7/69 Rev. Clyde Johnson* Scheduled to testify about Clay Shaw/Oswald connection Fatally shot
1970 George McGann* Underworld figure connected to Ruby friends, wife, Beverly, took film in Dealey Plaza Murdered
1/70 Darrell W. Garner Arrested for shooting Warren Reynolds, released after alibi from Betty MacDonald Drug overdose
8/70 Bill Decker Dallas Sheriff who saw bullet hit street in front of JFK Natural causes
8/70 Abraham Zapruder Took famous film of JFK assassination Natural causes
12/70 Salvatore Granello* Mobster linked to both Hoffa,Trafficante, and Castro assassination plots Murdered
1971 James Plumeri* Mobster tied to mob-CIA assassination plots Murdered
3/71 Clayton Fowler Ruby’s chief defense attorney Uknown
4/71 Gen. Charles Cabell* CIA deputy director connected to anti-Castro Cubans Collapsed and died after physical at Fort Myers
1972 Hale Boggs* House Majority Leader, member of Warren Commission who began to publicly express doubts about findings Disappeared on Alaskan plane flight
5/72 J. Edgar Hoover* FBI director who pushed “lone assassin” theory in JFK assassination Heart attack (no autopsy)
9/73 Thomas E. Davis* Gunrunner connected to both Ruby and CIA Electrocuted trying to steal wire
2/74 J.A. Milteer* Miami right-winger who predicted JFK’s death and capture of scapegoat Heater explosion
1974 Dave Yaras* Close friend to both Hoffa and Jack Ruby Murdered
7/74 Earl Warren Chief Justice who reluctantly chaired Warren Commission Heart failure
8/74 Clay Shaw* Prime suspect in Garrison case, reportedly a CIA contact with Ferrie and E. Howard Hunt Possible cancer
1974 Earle Cabell Mayor of Dallas on 11/22/63, whose brother, Gen. Charles Cabell was fired from CIA by JFK Natural causes
6/75 Sam Giancana* Chicago Mafia boss slated to tell about CIA-mob death plots to Senate Committee Murdered
7/75 Clyde Tolson J. Edgar Hoover’s assistant and roommate Natural causes
1975 Allen Sweatt Dallas Deputy Sheriff involved in investigation Natural causes
12/75 Gen. Earle Wheeler Contact between JFK and CIA Unknown
1976 Ralph Paul Ruby’s business partner connected with crime figures Heart attack
4/76 James Chaney Dallas motorcycle officer riding to JFK’s right rear who said JFK “struck in the face” with bullet Heart attack
4/76 Dr. Charles Gregory Governor John Connally’s physician Heart attack
6/76 William Harvey* CIA coordinator for CIA-mob assassination plans against Castro Complications from heart surgery
7/76 John Roselli* Mobster who testified to Senate Committee and was to appear again Stabbed and stuffed in metal drum
The HSCA Investigation
Just when the House Select Committee on Assassinations was investigating the JFK assassination, more suspicious deaths were coming up:
1/77 William Pawley* Former Brazilian Ambassador connected to Anti-Castro Cubans, crime figures Gunshot ruled suicide
3/77 George DeMohrenschildt* Close friend to both Oswald and Bouvier family (Jackie Kennedy’s parents), CIA contract agent Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Carlos Prio Soccaras* Former Cuban President, money man for anti-Castro Cubans Gunshot wound ruled suicide
3/77 Paul Raigorodsky Business friend of George DeMohrenschildt and wealthy oilmen Natural causes
5/77 Lou Staples* Dallas radio Talk Show host who told friends he would break assassination case Gunshot to head,ruled suicide
6/77 Louis Nichols Former No. 3 man in FBI, worked on JFK investigation Heart attack
8/77 Alan Belmont FBI official who testified to Warren Commission “Long illness”
8/77 James Cadigan FBI document expert who testified to Warren Commission Fall in home
8/77 Joseph C. Ayres* Chief steward on JFK’s Air Force One Shooting accident
8/77 Francis G. Powers* U-2 pilot downed over Russia in 1960 Helicopter crash (He reportedly ran out of fuel)
9/77 Kenneth O’Donnell JFK’s closest aide Natural causes
10/77 Donald Kaylor FBI fingerprint chemist Heart attack
10/77 J.M. English Former head of FBI Forensic Sciences Laboratory Heart attack
11/77 William Sullivan* Former No. 3 man in FBI, headed Division 5, counter- espionage and domestic intelligence Hunting accident
1978 C.L. “Lummie” Lewis Dallas Deputy Sheriff who arrested Mafia man Braden in Dealey Plaza Natural causes
9/78 Garland Slack Man who said Oswald fired at his target at rifle range Unknown
1/79 Billy Lovelady Depository employee said to be the man in the doorway in AP photograph Complications from heart attack
6/80 Jesse Curry Dallas Police Chief at time of assassination Heart attack
6/80 Dr. John Holbrook Psychiatrist who testified Ruby was not insane Heart attack but pills, notes found,
1/81 Marguerite Oswald Mother of accused assassin Cancer
10/81 Frank Watts Chief felony prosecutor for Dallas D.A. Natural causes
1/82 Peter Gregory Original translator for Marina Oswald and Secret Service Natural causes
5/82 Dr. James Weston Pathologist allowed to see JFK autopsy material for HSCA Died while jogging, ruled natural causes
8/82 Will H. Griffin FBI agent who reportedly said Oswald was “definitely” an FBI informant Cancer
10/82 W. Marvin Gheesling FBI official who helped supervise JFK investigation “Long illness”
3/84 Roy Kellerman Secret Service agent in charge of JFK limousine Unknown
Now, that’s an impressive list! I now own this post.
You can learn many new things going to jfkmurdersolved.com, and get nosy. My take on the whole thing is still not finished. neptunestheory.com/jfkpage5.html
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Yep,natural causes, cancer, heart attacks. With deaths like that it had to be a cover up. And if suicide or drug overdose was the overriding factor then the music industry had to be behind it. Consult a Webster’s Dictionary and look up the word coincidence. Your list is merely that. In court it wouldn’t even hold up as circumstantial evidence.
You say 6 shots were fired – from how many different weapons? Where did all those bullets go? The only bullet (and fragments) recovered were conclusively linked to Oswald’s rifle – to the exclusion of all other weapons.
With regards to the Single Bullet Theory – are you claiming that either Connally or Kennedy were struck from the front. Impossible! What would be the origin of such an odd shot? Besides, each man had what is known as an “abrasion collar” around the entry wound – an unmistakable indicator of entry. For Kennedy, it was on his back. For Connally, it was also on his back. Unquestionably, they were BOTH struck from behind.
im not saying shots were not fired from behind and i dont believe othere here are denying shots from behind (this is blatently obvious )so yes you will have abrasion collars . that however does not mean shots were not fired from the front ,you have a wound in the front of jfks throath (which was there )and was obliterated by the tracheotomy .you also have the head wound where a large portion of the skull was blown away so no abrasion collar as you say would be seen .statng only evidence of a shot from the rear does not exclude frontal shots as a possibility or probability.
Why do you not mention the shot to his head and show the picture frame that shows his head being thrust backwards (the frame that was left out and/or shown out of sequence in the “official” version of the shooting? Something missing in the otherwise good video re-enactment? Oops
the nall lets take another look at the video you posted,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxJCoTdoPA8&feature=related
look this all occuered within 5 seconds so there could have NOT been a 6 secondbreak between two of the shots.
I think this post is stupid, because most of America doesn’t believe Oswald was the lone shooter. The fact is Oswald never even fired a shot that day. Look into James Files account called “I shot JFK”, and you will start to get to the truth of the matter. I have concluded that there was no less than 5 shooters that day from all the physical and witness evidence. Check out an 8 page research story I still have to finish at http://neptunestheory.com/jfkpage1.html
So what if someone mispells on here, we are only human.
The evidence is STRONG against Oswald. If nothing else, his behavior in the immediate aftermath of the assassination WREAKS of consciousness-of-guilt. If he never fired a shot, then why did he gun down Officer J.D. Tippit and attempt to shoot another officer while resisting arrest in the Texas Theater? Then Oswald told provable lies during his interrogation. For instance, he denied ever owning a rifle. Immediately afterwards, he was confronted with a blown up photo of him HOLDING the same rifle that was discovered hidden on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository. Shocked that the police already had this kind of evidence, he claimed that it was a composite. I mean, what ELSE could he say?
Yet, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA), over 15 years later, with the advantage of more sophisticated photographic technology convened a board of photographic experts and determined that the famous “backyard photos” were genuine & unaltered.
Even Marina Oswald testified that she took those photos.
Claiming Oswald was completely innocent is just plain foolish. It requires one to ignore a MOUNTAIN of evidence and corroborated testimony.
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lets look at some facts and unusual events that connect them 2 the JFKA…..Bay of pigs invasion makes Kennedy look like a A-Hole so he shuts the CIA out of his National security ….this pissed of the C.I.A…The C.I.A was using the Mafia to assasinate political leaders in other countries( that is a FACT)….lets look at the other unusual events that occurred during or after….for uknown reasons the Secret Service were pulled of his car and re-postioned in the motorcade….there were no sniper support hell there was hardly any security at all….based on the Zapruder film whether u think its fake or not…the Fatal head-shot goes Back and to the left based on the postion of the car and the angle of the wound it came from the Grassy knoll…Many witnesses reported hearing a gun shot and smelt gun powder around the grassy knoll…If Lee Oswald really was a lone shooter then how did he miss the 1st shot and make the 3rd the perfect shot ….Every Sniper knows that your 1st shot is the BEST shot and that the whole Lee Oswald theory does not make sense……also consider this why would he pass up the 1perfect shot where The motorcade is coming straight at the book depository before turning on elm street…and also why did Oswald, if he was the lone shooter, choose to pass the perfectly easy shot before elm street and shoot through the tree blocking his view…after Kennedy reached the hospital LBJ claimed he didnt know what was going on….kinda weird when your only 2 cars down….and then the Texas Marshalls wanted to do their own investigation yet the Secret service literally got in a fist fight with Texas Marsh…..Kennedy was gunna end the war and LBJ kept it going reversing JFKs withdraw of troops…and finally why did SO MANY KEY WITNESSES MYSTERIOUSLY DIE BEFORE THE WARREN COMMISSION
Why deny that the Govt. lies
Every sniper knows the first shot is best? What is that suppose to mean? There could be many reasons why didnt shoot while it was approaching. The most obvious is that the shooter would have to contend with not only the windshield of the approaching limousine but also the fact that Connally would have been in front. As the vehicle is headed away it actually give him multiple chance to shoot because the target is pretty much staying in a straight line in front of him. The biggest adjacent would have to be made by lowering the weapon since the target would be getting farther away. The reason why the last shot was the most accurate and successful is because the limousine driver had slowed in response to the other two shots. You can see him looking back as the fatal headshot occurs.
Nice movie quote
david marina didnt know the colour of the camera with which she supposedly took the backyard photographs ,she didnt know if a person would look down in to a view finder or hold the camera up to their eye ,she initialy claimed she took only one photograph ,she claimed also to have had her back to the stairs while taking the photographs . it seems she had absolutely no knowledge of the camera the colour of it or how it was operated or even how many photographs she took and to top it all off she supposedly had her back to the stairs when taking the photographs ,anyone looking at the backyard photographs can see the stairs is to the front and left of the photographer and not behind .
is hani farid the photographic expert you talk about ? heres an interesting link about mr farid
the hsca came to the conclussion that there was a probable conspiracy .
sadly when oswald was interrogated nothing was recorded and no transcript was made of what oswald said ,all we have are handwritten notes by will fritz and bookhaut and hosty . fritz handled the shells in the snipers nest before they were photographed and tested for prints (and lied about doing so ,luke mooney and tom alyea verified that it was true )he denied having spoken to roger craig in his outer office only to recant that and say he did speak to craig in the outer office ,and then when told by craig that he saw a man he believed was oswald run down the grass in front of the book depository and get in to a car (which was verified by 3 other witnesses) is told dont worry about it we have our man and that was only about 3 hours after they found the rifle and really only at the start of the investigation .
hosty by his own admission burned a note by oswald .
oswald also said when being shown the backyard photograph that the photo was fake and that his head had been superimposed on some one elses body .
oswalds post office box account is in the name of oswald the rifle was ordered in the name a hiddel ,anyone can look at oswalds post office box application form and see that the post office box account holder can specify that other people can recieve post via his post office box .but the names of these people must be on the application form ,the only name on oswalds application form authorised to recieve mail from that post office box is lee oswald ,a hiddel is not listed on the application form nor is anyone other than oswald that means oswald couldnt recieve mail in that box under the name hiddel .
if hiddel is not athorised to recieve mail in that box a package for a hiddel would be returned to the sender .
did oswald shoot tippit ? the witnesses seem to be a bit confused .we know oswald only had two coats a blue coat (that was found in the book depository at some stage after the assassination )and the second coat that we were told by the warren commision is the coat now in the national archives which oswald supposedly discarded after shooting tippit . the coat in the archives is a light tan coat ,atleast 3 witnesses said the killer wore a dark or black coat ,willaim whalley told the commision that oswald wore a faded blue coat while he was in whalleys cab (but oswalds blue coat was later found in the book depository ?) no faded blue coat was found in oswalds rooming house where he changed his clothes (so did oswald leave the rooming house with the blue coat on ?)earlene roberts oswalds landlady when shown the light tan coat said she believed the coat oswald wore was darker ,so what happened to the faded blue coat ?.
the light tan coat that was discarded by the killer was never linked to oswald in any way ,in fact marina said he did all lees laundry (but there was a laundry tag attached to the coat )and even with the specif details on the laundry tag they never linked the coat to oswald .
aquilla clemmons saw two men ,one man with the gun waving the other man away ,she said the man with the gun was short a bit chunky and had bushy hair (clearly not oswald )helen markham told mark lane the shooter was short a little heavy with bushy hair ,she told agent odum he was young maybe 18 with black hair .
domingo benavides a witness to the shooting was shown a coat by the warren commision and said yes thats the coat the killer wore ,the problem here is that benavides was shown the wrong coat .
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the entry wounded was in the head and out the neck there was no multiple shooter but 1 LEE and
montae rivers
you need to re research the medical evidence as your completely wrong in saying the bullet entered the head and exited the throath ,and whats worse is some one who knows no better gave your comment a thumbs up.
President Kennedy, according to Bill Cooper, was shot in the head point blank by the driver, William Greer. This was with a pistol, the bullet containing shellfish fluid, guaranteed to kill its victim spontaneously. The shots fired by Oswald were a strategy of diversion to create public panic and vertigo. The shots by snipers were also a possible diversion with the same purpose in mind. Later on, Kennedy’s brain was removed and his wife ‘silenced’.
You guys are noobs xD
It is nor wrong to say 9/11 “The Black Day”. After that the whole situation of the world has changed. After 10 years we are still facing after shocks of that.
Why do these terrorists get such protection?
It is a shame that after all these years, that those persons, who conspired to assassinate J.F.Kennedy, were not brought to justice but were instead allowed to hold the highest public ofices, and to practice against the world the very horrors which they professed to fight against.
Remember Bush’s November 21, 2001 words: “If you harbor terrorists, you are terrorists. If you train or arm a terrorist, you are a terrorist. If you feed a terrorist or fund a terrorist, you’re a terrorist, and you will be held accountable.” What Bush didn’t say was “this doesn’t refer to ‘our terrorists.'”
It is the height of hypocrisy to talk about fighting terrorism while harbouring men who are wanted for or helping to destroy passenger airplanes.
But, just as the Bush family has been directly tied to the Bin Laden family, so, too, have they been tied to Posada Carriles. Just as the Bin Ladens were the only planes in American airspace to leave the country after 9/11, so too is Luis Posada Carriles being shuffled through the system to fall out the other side completely free and anonymous.
Will President Obama extradite Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles, to Venezuela and risk that he will reveal the secrets of four decades of Bush’s involvement in organising a facist international, or will President Obama protect him and stand exposed before the world as another protector of an international terrorist apparatus. The U.S. government knows how many crimes it has committed, hence all the continued secrecy by the Obama administration. Everything in Washington stinks.
The entire War on Terror is an evil and fraudulent enterprise.
“The terrorists Posada Carriles, and Osama bin Laden have become symbols of the US methods of hemispheric domination and its double standard: on the one hand, they declare a global war on terrorism and, on the other, they use it.”
U.S. government officials use terrorism to suit their own ends all the time, and yet, they expect us to believe that their cause to “eradicate international terrorism” is genuine? How can people be fooled by such hypocritical monsters?
Continued freedom for Posada Carriles, and Osama bin Laden makes a mockery of the United States, and all that the USA claims to stand for.
It is time to end the mockery of justice, peace, and order that has existed for too long.
EXTRADITE POSADA NOW FOR BOMBING THE CUBA AIRLINER.
Why do these terrorists get such protection?
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/posada.htm
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Look the whole assasination was about money and backing of the us dollar. Pull out your wallet and your answer to who killed jfk is printed on your money. Jfk wanted to back every dollar with bullion but that would mean the federal reserve would no longer have control of monetary assets aka gold and silver “the only thing that gives paper money value” its rather simple. If what he wanted would have happened than the federal reserve would be nothing which also means that the big dogs on top would not have america by the balls. The federal reserve killed jfk oswald or anyone else of the matter was just a distraction
Ahh, finally someone who actually knows that JFK wanted to abolish the federal reserve thru his executive order. notice how he was assasinated right before his order was to take effect. thank you
The answer to the assassination lies in forensic analysis. It’s about fingerprints, ballistics, and corroborated testimony. The answer does NOT lie with some lofty & convoluted theory about Kennedy’s monetary policy.
Even if what you say is true -still- SOMEBODY was firing a weapon that afternoon in Dealey Plaza. The evidence screams out that it was Lee Oswald!
do any of you know that jfk’s brother had passed a law against organized crime just days before jfk was killed. jfk was involved in the mob and they had told him not to let him pass the law. os one of the shots has been proved to have come from the grassy knoll
As far as shots fired, the Umbrella Gun fired the first shot into the throat which paralyzed the President. This weapon was discussed in open testimony some years later before the Frank Church Committee. As the President appears from behind the sign, the umbrella is opened and the President grasps his throat. According to testimony, opening the umbrella fires the shot. There were perhaps 3 individuals at best in the CIA that were marksmen with this weapon. The sound made, however, does not mimic a gunshot. This paralyzing dart set up the President for the crossfire ahead, with 4 shots being picked up by a dictabelt on one of the motorcycles. It was that recording that forced the House Assassinations Committe to reach the conspiracy conclusion, as Oswald could not have possibly fired 4 shots in the time allotted.
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So President Kennedy was going to reveal secrets about the government. Like Area 51. What do i think happened? Our own government eliminated him.
Luis Clemente Faustino Posada Carriles is a living example that the mockery of justice, peace, and order can exist for too long.
The JFK assassination and Bush’s refusal to extradite Posada Carriles to Venezuela? Some wish that respected journalists would leave the debate whether Posada is a terrorist, and concentrate on the question whether he and Orlando Bosch were involved in the JFK assassination under direction of George HW Bush. All three were in Dallas that day.
Because THAT is the real reason he will NEVER be extradited as long as Bushes are in the big seat.
All three were in Dallas that day … Bosch and Posada on Dealey Plaza to be exact.
It is time to bring Posada (and the others who conspired to assassinate the Kennedys) to justice.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/anatomy.htm
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jfkmurdersolved is a good forum (with some very knowledgeable members and lots of important info)however its based largely on files and there are problems with his version of events . i dont think we need to have the name/s of who pulled the trigger/s that day ,after all its been 47 years now and in all likelyhood the men involved are dead so there can be no prosicutions .whats most important is to show to the world that there was a conspiracy to kill jfk and that it was covered up ,was files the knoll shooter ? i dont know but i do believe he was very close to people who were involved .
i advise people to spend their time reading through the warren commission testimonies (plus looking at witness sworn affidavits) there is sufficient information in those alone to show that at the very least more than one person fired at jfk and that jd tippit was shot and killed just a few minutes after 1.00pm and not 1.16pm ,and also testimony casts doubt as to the manlicher carcano even being fired that afternoon due to being severely rusted .here is a post from a forum that both shows expert testimony on the carcano and the authors comments .
here is a post from another forum (not regarding the shells) so sorry for going a little off topic ,but its regarding the condition of the rifle so i think its relevent.
“Gil Jesus
10-01-2008, 03:05 PM
WAS FRAZIER SAYING THAT THE RIFLE WASN’T FIRED ?
By Gil Jesus ( 2008 )
FBI firearms expert Robert Frazier testified that he observed that the inside of the barrel of the Oswald rifle was “roughened” from corrosion ( rust ), then commented that “if a barrel is allowed to rust, one round will remove that rust.”
So why did the barrel have surface rust after Oswald had fired THREE rounds ?
THE RUSTED BARREL
Mr. McCLOY. When you examined the rifle the first time, you said that it showed signs of some corrosion and wear?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. Was it what you would call pitted, were the lands in good shape?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; the lands and the grooves were worn, the corners were worn, and the interior of the surface was roughened from corrosion or wear.
Mr. McCLOY. Could you say roughly how many rounds you think had been fired since it left the factory, with the condition of the barrel as you found it?
Mr. FRAZIER. No, sir; I could not, because the number of rounds is not an indication of the condition of the barrel, since IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST and wear the barrel to the same extent as 10 or 15 or 50 rounds just fired through a clean barrel.
( 3 H 395 )
The visual examination of the barrel was so convincing that the rifle had NOT been fired, that Frazier never even bothered to examine it for fouling in the barrel:
Mr. McCLOY. Was there metal fouling in the barrel?
Mr. FRAZIER. I did not examine it for that.
( ibid.)
THE RUSTED BOLT
Not only was there rust on the inside of the barrel, rust that should not have been there if the rifle had been fired ONCE ( never mind THREE times ), Ronald Simmons’ testimony indicates that the bolt was also rusted:
Mr. EISENBERG. Did they make any comments concerning the weapon?
Mr. SIMMONS. Yes; there were several comments made particularly with respect to the amount of effort required to open the bolt. As a matter of fact, Mr. Staley had, difficulty in opening the bolt in his first firing exercise. He thought it was completely up and it was not, and he had to retrace his steps as he attempted to open the bolt after the first round.
( 3 H 447 )
The obvious way of “getting the rust out”, is by operating the bolt in a “dry run “. They unloaded the weapon and each shooter “worked” the bolt back and forth in a “practice exercise” for 2-3 minutes BEFORE he began firing. The firing pin was rusted so badly, that they were afraid it might break.
Mr. EISENBERG. How much practice had they had with the weapon, Exhibit 139, before they began firing?
Mr. SIMMONS. They had each attempted the exercise without the use of ammunition, and had worked the bolt as they tried the exercise. They had not pulled the trigger during the exercise, however, because we were a little concerned about breaking the firing pin.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could you give us an estimate of how much time they used in this dry-run practice, each?
Mr. SIMMONS. They used no more than 2 or 3 minutes each.
(ibid.)
They worked the bolt for a total of 6-9 minutes to free it from it’s rust. Of course, the more you use the bolt, the freer from it becomes and the faster the elaspsed times are for the shooters.
Mr. SIMMONS. …..the pressure to open the bolt was so great that we tended to move the rifle off the target, whereas with greater proficiency this might not have occurred.
Mr. EISENBERG. Could this experience in operating the bolt be achieved in dry practice, Mr. Simmons?
Mr. SIMMONS. Yes; it could be, if sufficient practice were used. There is some indication of the magnitude of change with one of our shooters who in his second attempt fired three-tenths of a second less time than he did in the first.
( 3 H 449 )
OIL ON THE RUSTED FIRING PIN, SPRING & BOLT
Then there was enough rust on the firing pin and it’s spring for someone to have oiled it:
“…..the firing pin of this rifle has been used extensively as shown by wear on the nose or striking portion of the firing pin and, further, THE PRESENCE OF RUST ON THE FIRING PIN AND ITS SPRING…..” ( CE 2974 )
The rifle was so badly rusted, they had to oil it. CE 2974 also states that not only was “the firing pin and spring of this weapon well oiled”, there just happened to be oil “residue” on the “interior surfaces” of the bolt as well. The FBI denied that it was the one who oiled the weapon, adding that “it is not known if it was oiled by any other person having this rifle in his possession”. This document further states that the rust on the spring and the firing pin “must have formed prior to the oiling of these parts.” ( ibid. )
Although one might argue that the rust appeared on the rifle AFTER the assassination, Frazier testified that he examined it on the day after Kennedy was murdered, not enough time for rust to have settled in and “roughened” the surface of the barrel:
Mr. McCLOY. How soon after the assassination did you examine this rifle?
Mr. FRAZIER. We received the rifle the following morning.
Mr. McCLOY. Received it in Washington?
Mr. FRAZIER. Yes, sir.
Mr. McCLOY. And you immediately made your examination of it then?
Mr. FRAZIER. We made an examination of it at that time, and kept it temporarily in the laboratory.
( 3 H 395 )
CONCLUSION
Frazier testified that when he examined the rifle the FIRST TIME, on the day after the assassination, he found that the inside of the barrel had been “roughened” by corrosion and wear. Then he referenced the effect of what ONE SHOT would have on a rusted barrel. Why would he do this if the “roughened surface” he saw on the inside of the barrel wasn’t rust ? What connection could there be between a rusted barrel and the “roughened” barrel of Oswald’s rifle other than that the two were both rusted ?
The significance of rust inside a barrel is described by Frazier :
IF A BARREL IS ALLOWED TO RUST, ONE ROUND WILL REMOVE THAT RUST
If the barrel of the rifle was rusted or had rust in it, then not even one round had been fired from it.
Meaning that it had not been fired. Meaning that it wasn’t the murder
weapon.
The testimony not only strongly suggests that the inside of the barrel was rusted, but also that the bolt was rusted so badly that in order to get it to move, they had to first work in in through a “dry-run practice exercise” and then oil it.
The evidence indicates that both the firing pin and the spring contained rust and both had been “well oiled” at some point after the rust had formed and some oil “residue” was found on the bolt.
So who oiled the weapon ?
When the Warren Commission asked the FBI, the FBI replied that it was not responsible for the oiling and did not know if the weapon had been oiled by “any other person having this rifle in his possession”.
Couldn’t they find out ? I mean wasn’t this the Federal Bureau of INVESTIGATION ?
Of course they could have. Only a few agencies possessed the weapon.
On the Commission’s question of whether or not the firing pin had been changed, the Bureau responded that it had ” no record of any outlet where spare parts, including firing pins, can be obtained for rifles for such as Commission Exhibit 139″.
Talk about spare parts…… Didn’t the FBI have in its possession the EXACT SAME RIFLE in CE 542 ?
Robert Frazier’s testimony suggests that the rifle he saw on November 23rd had rust in the barrel. When he saw that there was rust in the barrel, he knew that the rifle had not been fired. So he had no reason to check the barrel for metal fouling.
They knew that this weapon had not been fired, so they sent it back to the Dallas Police.
Ronald Simmons’ testimony is even more compelling regarding the issue of rust, this time, with the bolt. Simmons testified that the bolt was so difficult to operate that the shooters had to take 2 or 3 minutes before shooting to work the bolt back and forth in a “dry-run exercise”, exactly like one would use to loosen a rusted part.
The ease of operation of the bolt was essential to obtain the elapsed time required for one gunman to have performed the killing. There is no way that one gunman, whether that was Oswald or anyone else, could have fired three shots from that rifle in the required time with the bolt in the condition as Simmons described it.
Finally, when the Warren Commission asked the FBI in August 1964 to examine the rifle to see if the firing pin had been changed, the Bureau found that the firing pin and the spring were “well oiled” and that they and the bolt were all oiled by a person or persons unknown to it. The Bureau also found that the oil had been added to the weapon AFTER it had rusted.
Oil evaporates. It goes from a thick liquid when first applied, to a thin film. The fact that the pin and spring were “well” oiled indicates that evaporation was not complete, i.e., that the oil had been applied rather recently. The point is, that if oil was added to the rifle AFTER it was rusted, it must have been rusted pretty badly.
It all adds up to this: The condition of the rifle that the Dallas Police sent to the FBI on the night of the assassination was such that it was not capable of performing the assassination of President Kennedy and the wounding of Governor Connally. The FBI knew this and sent it back to the Dallas Police.”
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America took a turn for the worst after JFK was murdered. This is what happens when drug smuggling, gun running, money laundering, gambling and prostitution Mafiosi and crooked entrepreneurs in Miami are allowed to dictate USA’s destiny. Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch were in the thick of the JFKennedy plot.
http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/anatomy.htm
As a matter of fact, it may be a better idea to NOT extradite Posada ……. better to try him right within your own borders. In Dallas, Texas, to be precise. That is, if you still care about your Constitutional laws. Laws that command that, contrary to what the Warren Commission did, an unsolved homicide should be handled under the jurisdiction of the state where it happened. You’ve got a new sheriff there. She is female, Mexican, democrat and lesbian. These are all the things that George loves. Circumstances have never been better. Bring Posada and the JFK murder conspirators to justice.
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
EXTRADITE POSADA TO VENEZUELA OR TRY HIM IN DALLAS!
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I’m just a high-schooler but I know that JFK’s assination was performed by only one shooter (Oswald) and that he was hit with two bullets in the rear area of his head and his left shoulder. People exclaimed that there were four shots fired…
“What you perceive,
your observations,
feelings,
interpretations,
are all your truth.
Your truth is important.
Yet it is not The Truth.”
Linda Ellinor
schoolboy666 i appreciate your young and still in school but if you want to learn about the jfk assassination you need to read and research . as i said above read the expert warren commission testimony i posted above regarding the rusted condition of the manlicher carcano (the supposed murder weapon) ,have a read of the sworn affidavits of eye and ear witnesses to tippits killing that say the time of the killing was just after 1.00pm and not 1.16pm.
at 1.00pm oswald was still either in his rooming house or being observed by his landlady earlene roberts standing at the nearby bus stop ,that makes it impossible for oswald to have killed tippit.
check out the witness from elm street who said they heard a shot or shots from the knoll area and see how many of them were called to testify at the warren commission.
oswald worked on the 6th floor that morning as they were laying a new plywood floor ,he was there with about 5 other men including his supervisor bill shelly ,he had no opportunity to build the snipers nest or assemble the rifle which would have taken about 10 minutes.
oswalds co workers and his supervisor left the 6th floor and went down to the 1st floor for lunch about 11.45 am oswald stayed behind for a few minutes (oswald asked them to send the elevator back up for him )charles givens one of oswalds co workers forget his cigaretes and went straight back up to the 6th floor to get them.
givens said oswald had his clip board in his hand and was walking toward the elevator ,oswald went down to the 1st floor around 11.50 where he was seen by his supervisor bill shelly. he was seen by (and spoken to )by eddie piper on the 1st floor at about midday .oswald said he ate in the lunchroom and that he witnessed two negros one called junior (junior jarmin ) and he said junior was with a short negro whos name he did not know (harold norman ,norman said someone was there but he couldnt say who)if oswald was on the 6th floor all the time how could he have known who was in the 1st floor lunchroom.
oswald was seen some time around 12.15 or a little after by carolyn arnold eating his lunch alone ,he was next seen no more than 90 seconds after the shooting on the second floor drinking a coke by officer marion baker and building manager roy truly.
a man called bonny ray williams was on the 6th floor between 12.00pm and 12.25 pm eating his lunch near the snipers nest area and never saw oswald at any time, williams then left the 6th floor and went down to his co workers on the fifth floor arriving there only a few minutes before jfk arrived on elm street . arnold rowland was standing on elm street and saw a man with a rifle in a window at the other end of the book depository at about 12.15pm when oswald was in the lunchroom .
a witness on elm street saw sparks on the road between jfks limo and the curb (where a missed bullet struck the road) another bullet missed the limo and hit the curb towards the triple underpass (either a fragment of this bullet or a piece of concrete from the curb struck james tague who was standing by the underpass) originally the warren commission account for all the wounds in jfk and connally with 3 bullets .
then they were forced to change their mind and had to admit one bullet missed and hit the curb (a fourth shot from oswald was impossible in the time scale and so a fourth shot if fired would have had to come from a second rifle and second shooter) ,a second shooter means there was a conspiracy so then and only then did they came up with the lie of the single bullet theory.
the fragments of bullets taken from john connallys wrist along with a large fragment that remained in his left leg untill the day he died weighed to much to have come from the near pristine magic bullet ,doctor humes when asked by the warren commission if all the fragments could have come from the near pristine bullet doctor humes replied
“i cant concieve of where the fragments could have come from on the bullet” humes also probed jfks back wound with both his finger and a surgical probe and found that the wound was shallow and it had no exit point. how many bullets are we talking about now ?, the magic bullet found on the stretcher at parklands/then we have the shallow back wound /the throath wound /bullet that hit the street on elm and caused sparks/ bullet that hit the curb near the underpass/ thats potentialy 5 shots and i havent mentioned connallys wounds yet.
read and research as much as you can ,and dont just go to one forum and take everything they say as gospel truth .go to other forums and read books (read the sworn affidavits and warren testimony online ) double and treble check all the facts from multiple sources .
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