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Baratacus makes a strong argument. Why the sudden loss of ability to make this happen today when it was so easy and faultless back then. I know mankind can literally move mountains when it wants to, but it takes many attempts with loss of life before success is achieved on the grand ideas.
We our only just plumbing the deepest oceans with crewed submarines where pressure is the biggest danger and the distance is measured in meters. Yet we are expected to believe that we have been to the moon through the vacuum of space a journey of thousands of miles, beyond the earths protection from the violence of the sun, to a cold lifeless rock, where we jump about, drive cars that we brought with us and then head home with large payloads of rock. Making sure we just hit the atmosphere at the correct speed, angle etc so as not to ruin the day in a fiery ball. I really don’t think so….
Forget the pictures and evidance and look at it logically. We just couldn’t do it then, we still can’t do it now.
Apollo Moon Landing
we got there
When scientists says we can’t go back for x amount of years is because just going there for a couple of days is not the objective. The goal is to setup a long term staging area, to which we need a shelter; several weeks to several months also LONG TERM exposure to radiation, what are the effects? and how to combat those effects? With larger payloads and possibly larger crews, we need more than the Saturn 5 Rocket Booster, we need a new rocket capable lifting that much weight. And a new craft to get us there and back. The Shuttle is not an option, as that was not designed for liftoff from an unstable and uneven surface, much less any surface.
To those who believe that man never landed on the moon, you are either ignorant or deluded. Every single piece of supposed “proof” of a hoax is easily dismissed by either common sense or a simple knowledge of science and physics. The biggest piece of proof that it did actually happen is the Russians. It was the height of the cold war, and the race was on with the Russians to get to the moon first. If the USA faked it, the Russians would have SCREAMED to the world that it was fake. To those who say the burden of proof lies with those who believe that we did actually land on the moon, you are wrong. The proof is there. What more do you need? Prove that it didn’t happen. Guess what? You can’t. You should be ashamed of yourselves for for so easily discounting the single greatest technological event in the history of the world. I will offer a one million dollar prize to anyone who can prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that it was a hoax.
I believe that we landed on the moon. Why? Because I have respect for the integrity of the men who went there. If one of the moon-landing astronauts could come out and deny this-and survive, unlike Gus Grissom who supposedly was set to do the same thing-I would say that there should be many many more people that would have had to be involved with a hoax to come forward. If the government has so successfully “landed” on the moon, then why haven’t they tried to “land” on Mars yet? Could it possibly be that we’re actually planning on going?
Also, solidtruth? If you have ever gone to Cape, as I have, or been lucky enough to speak with an astronaut, as I have, you might know that people in the shuttle or a space station are able to see that radiation, and yet they survive, months even, in space.
I totally believe that men went to the moon. A big flaw in the hoax theory, that no one ever seems to mention, is this. Assuming they did fake the first landing why did they keep doing it? Surely the risk of being discoverd once was massive so why multiply it so many times? Theorists? Answers please?
Money! Money! Money! And international cachet. NASA got billions with kickbacks going to the politicians.
i dont understand why there are so many non believers out there it really makes me sad i look up to the brave astronauts who risked their lives to fufill their dreams of going into outerspace. in the future i hope to be one of them. i came on this site to help me with my 8th grade project but seeing all the doubters out there just i dont know, really got my spirts down anyway i just wanted to let you know how awful you are to have such a closed mind and to come on here just to argue about something you really dont seem to know much about.
below is a perswasive speach that i am doing…some of it is i got it from variouse websites, i dindnt have a opinion over this stuff before, but now i am thoroughly convinced that man didnt land on the moon
Moon Landing Was A Hoax!
*How can the flag be fluttering when there’s no wind on the atmosphere free Moon? *with the exception of the known rocks, which could have been easily mocked up in a lab, the photographs and film footage are the only proof that the Eagle ever landed. And Rene believes they’re fake, and now I do too For a start, he says, *the TV footage was hopeless. The world tuned in to watch what looked like two blurred white ghosts jump about threw rocks and dust. Part of the reason for the low quality was that, strangely, NASA provided no direct link up. So networks actually had to film “man’s greatest achievement” from a TV screen in Houston -a deliberate ploy so that nobody could properly examine it. But yet the still photos were stunning. Yet that’s just the problem. The astronauts took thousands of pictures, each one perfectly exposed and sharply focused. Not one was badly composed or even blurred. As Rene points out, that’s not all: * The cameras had no white meters or view ponders. So the astronauts achieved this feet without being able to see what they were doing. * There film stock was unaffected by the intense peaks and powerful cosmic radiation on the Moon, conditions that should have made it useless. * They managed to adjust their cameras, change film and swap filters in pressurized clubs. It should have been almost impossible to end their, fingers. Award winning British photographer David passer is convinced the pictures are fake: * The shadows could only have been created with multiple light sources and, in particular, powerful spotlights. But the only light source on the Moon was the sun. * The American flag and the words “United States” are always brightly lit, even when everything around is in shadow. * Not one still picture matches the film footage, yet NASA claims both were shot at the same time. * The pictures are so perfect, each one would have taken a slick advertising agency hours to put them together But the astronauts managed it repeatedly. David Persey believes the mistakes were deliberate, left there by “whistle blowers”, who were keen for the truth to one day get out.
Why would anyone fake pictures of an event that actually happened? The questions don’t stop there. Outer space is awash with deadly radiation that emanates from solar flares firing out from the sun. Standard astronauts orbiting earth in near space, like those who recently fixed the Hubble telescope, are protected by the earth’s Van Allenbelt. But the Moon is to 240,000 miles distant, way outside this safe band. And, during the Apollo flights, astronomical data shows there were no less than 1,485 such flares. John Mauldin, a physicist who works for NASA, once said shielding at least two meters thick would be needed. Yet the walls of the Lunar Landers which took astronauts from the spaceship to the moons surface were, said NASA, “about the thickness of heavy duty aluminum foil”.
How could that stop this deadly radiation? And if the astronauts were protected by their space suits, why didn’t rescue workers use such protective gear at the Chernobyl meltdown, which released only a fraction of the dose astronauts would encounter? Not one Apollo astronaut, ever contracted cancer – not even the Apollo 16 crew who were on their way to the Moon when a big flare started. “They should have been fried,” says Rene. Furthermore, every Apollo mission before number 11 (the first to the Moon) was plagued with around 20,000 defects. Yet, with the exception of Apollo 13, NASA claims there wasn’t one major technical problem on any of their Moon missions. Just one effect could have blown the whole thing. “The odds against these are so unlikely that God must have been the co-pilot,” says Rene. Several years after NASA claimed its first Moon landing, Buzz Aldrin * “the second man on the Moon” – was asked at a banquet what it felt like to step on to the lunar surface. Aldrin staggered to his feet and left the room crying uncontrollably. It would not be the last time he did this. “It strikes me he’s suffering from trying to live out a very big lie,” says Rene. Aldrin may also fear for his life. Virgil Grissom, a NASA astronaut who baited the Apollo program, was due to pilot Apollo 1 as part of the landings build up. In January 1967, he hung a lemon on his Apollo capsule (in the US, unroadworthy cars are called lemons) and told his wife Betty: “if there is ever a serious accident in the space program, it’s likely to be me.” Nobody knows what fuelled his fears, but by the end of the month he and his two co- pilots were dead, burnt to death during a test run when their capsule, pumped full of high pressure pure oxygen, exploded. Scientists couldn’t believe NASA’ carelessness – even a chemistry students in high school knows high pressure oxygen is extremely explosive. In fact, before the first manned Apollo fight even cleared the launch pad, a total of 11 would be astronauts were dead. Apart from the three who were incinerated, seven died in plane crashes and one in a car crash. Now this is a spectacular accident rate. “One wonders if these ‘accidents’ weren’t NASA’s way of correcting mistakes,” says Rene. “Of saying that some of these men didn’t have the sort of ‘right stuff’ they were looking for.” NASA wont respond to any of these claims, their press office will only say that the Moon landings happened and the pictures are real. But a NASA public affairs officer “Julian Scheer” once delighted 200 guests at a private party with footage of astronauts apparently on a landscape. It had been made on a mission film set and was identical to what NASA claimed was the real lunar landscape. “The purpose of this film,” Scheer told the enthralled group, “is to indicate that you really can fake things on the ground, almost to the point of deception.” He then invited his audience to “come to their own decision about whether or not man actually did walk on the Moon”. A sudden attack of honesty? You bet, says Rene, who claims the only real thing about the Apollo missions were the lift offs. The astronauts simply have to be on board, he says, in case the rocket exploded. “It was the easiest way to ensure NASA wasn’t left with three astronauts who ought to be dead,” he claims, adding that they came down a day or so later, out of the public eye (global surveillance wasn’t what it is now) and into the safe hands of NASA officials, who whisked them off to prepare for the big day a week later. And now NASA is planning another giant step *project Outreach, a 1 trillion dollar manned mission to Mars. “Think what they’ll be able to mock up with today’s computer graphics,” says Rene Chillingly. “Special effects was in its infancy in the 60s. This time around will have no way of determining the truth.”
Space oddities *Apollo 14 astronaut Allen Shepard played golf on the Moon. In front of a worldwide TV audience, Mission Control teased him about slicing the ball to the right. Yet a slice is caused by uneven air flow over the ball. The Moon has no atmosphere and no air. *A camera panned upwards to catch Apollo 16’s Lunar Lander lifting off the Moon. Who did the filming? *The pressure inside a space suit was greater than inside a football. The astronauts should have been puffed out like the Michelin Man, but were seen freely bending their joints. *Text from pictures in the article Only two men walked on the Moon during the Apollo 12 mission. Yet the astronaut reflected in the visor has no camera. Who took the shot? The flags shadow goes behind the rock so doesn’t match the dark line in the foreground, which looks like a line cord. So the shadow to the lower right of the spaceman must be the flag. *Why is the flag fluttering?
*How can the flag be brightly lit when its side on to the light? Where, in all of these shots, are the stars? *The Lander weighed 17 tons yet the astronauts feet seem to have made a bigger dent in the dust. *The powerful booster rocket at the base of the Lunar Lander was fired to slow descent to the moons service. Yet it has left no traces of blasting on the dust underneath. It should have created a small crater, yet the booster looks like it’s never been fired.
1. *If NASA could launch men into space, pilot them to the moon, deploy a lander, drop a rover from that lander, have the men explore the moon, then return to the lander, launch from the lunar surface, dock with an orbiting module, and then return to earth, re-enter the atmosphere and land in a specific recovery zone, all back in 1960’s, why is it that now in 2007 they are attempting to develop a craft that will be able to send a man to the moon and bring him back? why not just use the same tried and true model from the 60’s that has a higher success:failure ratio than our modern space shuttles? We don’t have the technology to do it today… so what makes you think we had it then? How is it that currently other countries that today are far more technologically advanced than we were back then are trying but can not repeated this feat? China is our closest competitor and plans on having a round trip mission capable vehicle and human crew ready by 2024. NASA predicts it will have a working vehicle and equipment ready for a mission no later than 2020…. yet in the 60’s we pulled something together from litterally nothing in under a decade.
Boy, we sure do have some ignorant people in the US of A. Ask ANYBODY who was there, watching Neil and Buzz bounce about the Sea of Tranquillity, on their televisions and everyone of them would say it is true. Ask some ignorant *&%-holes in their 30’s and 20’s and they will give you information that should make you laugh your balls off. Common sense and a little reading (yes, it is hard to actually read a book by yourself when your mommy reads it to you) will debunk any so called “theory” these scum bring up.
If anything, years of experience and F’s on research papers has taught me to never trust anything you see on the internet without background checks.
After Casey redo’s some horrible spelling mistakes in his post perhaps he can make some checks over some material he got from websites admined by 40 year olds who jerk off to shemale videos.
I’ll do my part for my side and disprove his idea of the LEM’s descent engine not making a crater on the surface. It would, IF IT WAS AT FULL THROTTLE! Gotcha! The engine only needed to support slightly less than the weight of the craft as it approached the ground, only at about 10-20% of maximum power. Constantly running the engine at full power for a long time would deplete the engine’s precious fuel.
now go out of your basement, take a deep breath of fresh air and look at the Moon sometime. Hard to fathom, but yes, we were there. In a time when the USA was at its finest, when we could achieve anything. But those days are over and nowadays Paris Hilton going to prison is considered news.
To all you conspiracy nuts..So what would you constitute as proof then. Answering all of the points made above? – been there, done that. Science to prove it. There are credible answers for all the so called “evidence against” points, but you choose not to believe them. A photo from Hubble? – couldnt that be faked. No doubt that would be the claim Going back there? – if we can fake it once then we can fake it again.
Face it. You just dont want to accept the truth. There is not one unchallengable argument against you can come up with. But for all the evidence that we did go to the moon you still cant believe.
The most telling bit about the validity of the landing is this. Three men went into space. Thousands of people saw the launch. If they didnt go to the moon, where did they go? Its not very easy to hide when there is nothing to hide behind. There must have been hundreds of tracking stations on earth watching them. Soviets, Chinese, etc. So why didnt they say, “hold on, we followed you and you just did a couple of spins round the earth and came back.”
Don’t be discouraged that people don’t believe we went to the moon. Don’t be discouraged that our government may have lied to us with our “best interests” in mind. The do it all the time.
Radiation on this side of the van-allen belt is surviveable and you won’t die from it in a shuttle (400km-500km out from earth) The van-allen belt is an anomaly where by radiation is trapped by earths electromagnetic field in 2 concentric rings around our planet. In high orbit, at a distance of over 2,000km from the first belt, shuttle pilots are far from the belts. The first ring is 3,000 km up and is 5,000km across. The second ring is 15,000km-20,000km up and is 6,000-10,000km across. Today we have Polyethaline shielding which is far more effective for shielding against partical radiation that is found in the van allen belts. We didn’t have this shielding technology in the 60’s and used a thin metal foil to insulate the astronauts from radiation. Metal is a poor insulator against partical radiation and needs to be very dense. We didn’t even use lead foil, we used a lightweight foil that would have been completely inadequate to protect the astronauts from the partical radiation of the van allen belts. Even getting safely through the radiation, we didn’t have a lander that could land. It failed every single landing test and simulation. It was too top heavy and would tumble every time. The lunar landing was it’s first sucsessfull touchdown. In fact, every single simulation of the lunar mission at mission control ended in an abort or mission failure. The eagle touching down was the first time that the controlers had actually experienced a successfull touchdown. Why would we fake it? why would we do it more than once? Do you have any Idea how much money in civil engineering investors was tied up in this? If this program failed, It would be a death sentance to anyone involved. Not just NASA, but IBM, General Dynamics, Gruman, Hydrodine… and about a thousand other companies were revitalized or born out of this program. It was a billion dollar industry. The U.S. public had no interest in orbiters… Russia already beat the pants off of us in that market and was owning us in the space race. Someone that could do what Russia couldn’t do was golden in the eyes of the American Public. Why did we stop going? You can only keep up a lie for so long. It was only a matter of time before NASA got busted. Why do you think the president of the U.S. said that the lunar missions were finished and we would not be sending any more manned flights to the moon in the forseeable future. Why do you think all of the prototypes and plans were “Lost”
Don’t let this discourage you from becoming an astronaut. Astronauts do exist, we have traveled to outerspace. But don’t idolize and make a hero out of any man. Columbus was a genocidal oportunist and a poor navigator. Yet we have a national holiday for him. All men are falable and thats part of being human. If you saw 10 of your buddies drop off like flies for protesting how things were being done, you’d shut your mouth too.