what time was j d tippit killed ?

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what time was j d tippit killed ?

Postby pio » Sun May 08, 2011 2:26 pm

the official version of events state that tippit was shot about 1.16pm as this was the time a call for help was made on tippits radio .the official version also states that domingo benavides made the call but in fact it was t f bowley ,there is a good reason for this discrepency which i will get to .

so as we were told oswald left the tsbd at about 12.33 and walked a few blocks where he boarded a bus ,and then the bus is bogged down in the chaos so he gets off the bus and gets a cab which drops him to his boarding house, he gets his gun and coat and is walking by the corner of tenth and patton where he is stopped by tippit ,he then kills tippit.if you didnt look any further than the official version of events you would say yes he did it he was guilty and thats that . but thats not that because the official version of events is not as cut and dry as they would have had people believe .

we will start with william whalley the cab driver who drove oswald home to his rooming house ,heres a piece of his testimony where he describes the clothing oswald wore while walking towards his cab after he had left the bus .
Mr. Ball. Did you notice how he was dressed?Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants.
He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there.

Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir; he had on a bracelet of some type on his left arm. It looked like an identification bracelet. Just shiny, you know, how you see

Mr. Ball. Here is Commission No. 162 which is a gray jacket with zipper.Mr. Whaley. I thank that is the jacket he had on when he rode with me in the cab.Mr. Ball. Look something like it?
And here is Commission Exhibit No. 163, does this look like anything he had on?Mr. Whaley. He had this one on or the other one.

Mr. Ball. You said that a jacket--Mr. Whaley. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.Mr. Ball. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.Mr. Whaley. Yes, sir. (he would add to this by saying the jacket was a faded blue jacket ,ill come back to the jacket a bit later ) so he drops oswald off in the 500 block a few minutes to 1.00 some where in the region of 12.55 oswald has to walk some 6 blocks to his rooming house ,oswald walks to his rooming house some 6 blocks away arriving at 1.00 or just after .

The following affidavit was executed by Earlene Roberts on December 5, 1963.
PRESIDENT'S COMMISSION
ON THE ASSASSINATION OF AFFIDAVIT
PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY

STATE OF TEXAS,
County of Dallas, ss:

I, Earlene Roberts, after being duly sworn, do depose and state:
I live at 1026 Beckley, Dallas, Texas, where I serve as housekeeper for a rooming house owned by Mr. & Mrs. A. C. Johnson.
On Friday, November 22, 1963, at approximately 1:00 pm I was sitting in the living room watching television about the President's assassination when a man I knew as O. H. Lee, but who has since been identified as Lee Harvey Oswald, came into the front door and went to his room. Oswald did not have a jacket when he came in the house and I don't recall what type of clothing he was wearing.
Oswald went to his room and was only there a very few minutes before coming out. I noticed he had a jacket he was putting on. I recall the jacket was a dark color and it was the type that zips up the front. He was zipping the jacket up as he left.
Oswald went out the front door. A moment later I looked out the window. I saw Lee Oswald standing on the curb at the bus stop just to the right, and on the same side of the street as our house. I just glanced out the window that once. I don't know how long Lee Oswald stood at the curb nor did I see which direction he went when he left there.
About thirty minutes later three Dallas policemen came to the house looking for Lee Harvey Oswald. We didn't know who Lee Harvey Oswald was until sometime later his picture was flashed on television. I then let the Dallas policemen in the room occupied by Lee Oswald. While the Dallas police were searching the room two FBI agents came in.
The police and FBI agents took everything in the room that belong to Lee Oswald and also took our pillow case and two towels and wash cloths.
I have made this statement, consisting of three pages, to Special Agents William N. Garter and Arthur W. Blake of the U.S. Secret Service. I have read this statement over and I find it to be true to the best of my knowledge.
Signed this 5th day of December 1963.
(S) Earlene Roberts,
EARLENE ROBERTS.

Mr. Ball. And about what time was this?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, it was after President Kennedy had been shot and I had a friend that said, "Roberts, President Kennedy has been shot," and I said, "Oh, no." She said, "Turn on your television," and I said "What are you trying to do, pull my leg?" And she said, "Well, go turn it on." I went and turned it on and I was trying to clear it up---I could hear them talking but I couldn't get the picture and he come in and I just looked up and I said, "Oh, you are in a hurry." He never said a thing, not nothing. He went on to his room and stayed about 3 or 4 minutes.

Mr. BALL. Can you tell me what time it was approximately that Oswald came in?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, it must have been around 1 o'clock, or maybe a little after, because it was after President Kennedy had been shot-what time I wouldn't want to say becauseMr. Ball. . How long did he stay in the room ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Oh, maybe not over 3 or 4 minutes-just long enough, I guess, to go in there and get a jacket and put it on and he went out zipping it.
(when shown the jacket oswald was said to have discarded she claimed the coat he wore was darker, again il come back to the jacket)

so earlene roberts testimony of oswald returning to his rooming house at 1.00pm or a little after is consistent with the time it would have taken oswald to have walked from the spot whalley dropped him off to his rooming house . how long did oswald stay in his room ? ,mrs roberts said 3 to 4 minutes oswald told will fritz he changed his britches (trousers ) and he may have changed his shirt ,also while oswald was in his room mrs roberts heard a car horn and went to her window and saw a police car outside her house

Mr. Ball. On the 29th of November, Special Agents Will Griffin and James Kennedy of the Federal Bureau of Investigation interviewed you and you told them that "after Oswald had entered his room about 1 p.m. on November 22, 1963, you looked out the front window and saw police car No. 207?Mrs. Roberts. No. 107.Mr. Ball. Is that the number?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes--I remembered it. I don't know where I got that 106---207. Anyway, I knew it wasn't 170. Mr. Ball. And you say that there were two uniformed policemen in the car?Mrs. Roberts. Yes, and it was in a black car. It wasn't an accident squad car at all.Mr. Ball. Were there two uniformed policemen in the car?Mrs. Roberts. Oh, yes.Mr. Ball. And one of the officers sounded the born ?Mrs. Roberts. Just kind of a "tit-tit"--twice.
Mr. BALL. And then drove on to Beckley toward Zangs Boulevard, is that right?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes. I thought there was a number, but I couldn't remember it but I did know the number of their car--I could tell that. I want you to understand that I have been put through the third degree and it's hard to remember.

so oswald was in his room 3 to 4 minutes he then leaves his room and exits his rooming house ,a moment later (the definition of a moment may differ from country to country but its usual interpretation is one or two minutes ,ill leave people decide for them selves how long a moment is ) mrs roberts goes to her window again (maybe to see if the police car had returned ) she sees oswald is still there stood at the bus stop in front of her house (the bus that stopped there was heading in the opposite direction of where tippit was shot ,it was headed in the direction of the texas theatre where oswald was later arrested) she leaves the window and does not see oswald leave the bus stop either walking or on a bus and so has no idea of what direction he may have gone in . so he didnt leave his rooming house untill 1.03 maybe 1.04 a minute maybe two later mrs roberts goes to her window and sees oswald standing at the bus stop whic means oswald was standing at the bus stop as late as 1.04 maybe 1.05 ,and she did not witness him leaving so he could have stood there longer .
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Re: what time was j d tippit killed ?

Postby pio » Sun May 08, 2011 3:27 pm

now the witnesses ,some witnesses heard the shots that killed j d tippit and some people witnessed the shooting (the official version is that only two people witnessed tippit being shot ,but this is not accurate ) some of these witnesses identified oswald as the man the saw running from the area where tippit was killed .but most of the witnesses also gave a time of 1.00 or a few minutes after for the tippit shooting . if they are accurate about the time then the identification of oswald as tippits killer is wrong .

helen markham leaves her house at 1.00 or maybe a few minutes after to get her 1.15 bus to work ,she has walked one block when she arrives at the corner of tenth and patton (she said it was about 1.06) and witnesses the shooting .here is a link to markhams affidavit
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0444-001.gif

in the texas school book depository roger craig is on the 6th floor ,an officer in the command center on elm gets word that an officer has been shot in oakcliff and makes his way in to the tsbd and to the 6th floor to tell will fritz the news ,roger craig notes the time as 1.06 .

barbara jeanette davis said she heard the shots shortly after 1.00 (here is her sworn affidavit )
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0447-001.gif

virginia davis barbaras sister in law said the time was 1.30 ,the latest the time could have been according to the commision is 1.16 so miss davis is completely wrong with the 1.30 time and is also contradicting her sister in law who was with her .
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Re: what time was j d tippit killed ?

Postby pio » Sun May 08, 2011 3:29 pm

ted calloway said he heard shots about 1.00 (here is his affidavit )
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0453-001.gif

sam guinyard said he heard the shots about 1.00 ,here is his affidavit .
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/04/0482-001.gif

domingo benavides was at tenth and patton at 1.00 to help fix a stalled car in that area ,he had to return to where he workd in relation to a part for the stalled car ,he had a round trip of about 5 blocks . now bear in mind oswald walked some 6 blocks in about 6 minutes so benavides could have driven it in 3 maybe less and you have to allow a few minutes for him to get the information on the part ,that means he was back on tenth and patton at about 1.05 just in time to see j d tippit being shot . he ducked down and stayed in his vehicle for a time untill he felt safe to leave ,when he felt safe he then left the vehicle and went to tippits aid but in all likely hood based on the medical information tippit died all most instantly . he decided to try and call for help on tippits police car radio ,he had difficulty trying to use the police radio .

at this time t f bowley arrives ,he looks at his watch it says 1.10 (and j d tippit has all ready been shot dead and benavides has decided its safe to leave his vehicle and help tippit and from there he tries to use the police radio) ,he goes to tippits aid but he is beyond help and so then goes to benavides and makes the call for help for him . here is bowleys sworn affidavit that shows tippit was dead before he arrived at 1.10 .
AFFIDAVIT IN ANY FACT
THE STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF DALLAS
BEFORE ME, Mary Rattan, a Notary Public in and for said County, State of Texas, on this day personally appeared T.F. Bowley w/m/35 of 1454 Summertime Lane, TE6 5965 who, after being by me duly sworn, on oath deposes and says:

On Friday November 22, 1963 I picked up my daughter at the R. L. Thornton School in Singing Hills at about 12:55 pm. I then left the school to pick up my wife who was at work at the Telephone Company at Ninth Street and Zangs Street. I was headed north on Marsalis and turned west on 10th Street. I traveled about a block and noticed a Dallas police squad car stopped in the traffic lane headed east on 10th Street. I saw a police officer lying next to the left front wheel. I stopped my car and got out to go to the scene. I looked at my watch and it said 1:10 pm. Several people were at the scene. When I got there the first thing I did was try to help the officer. He appeared beyond help to me. A man was trying to use the radio in the squad car but stated he didn't know how to operate it. I know how and took the radio from him. I said, "Hello, operator. A police officer has been shot here." The dispatcher asked for the location. I found out the location and told the dispatcher what it was. A few minutes later an ambulance came to the scene. I helped load the officer onto the stretcher and into the ambulance. As we picked the officer up, I noticed his pistol laying on the ground under him. Someone picked the pistol up and laid it on the hood of the squad car. When the ambulance left, I took the gun and put it inside the squad car. A man took the pistol out and said, "Let's catch him." He opened the cylinder, and I saw that no rounds in it had been fired. This man then took the pistol with him and got into a cab and drove off. The police arrived and I talked to a police sergeant at the scene I told him I did not witness the shooting and after questioning me, he said it was all right for me to leave. I then went on to the Telephone Company office at Ninth and Zangs.

/s/ T. F. Bowley

SUBSCRIBED AND SWORN BEFORE ME THIS 2 DAY OF December A.D. 1963
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Re: what time was j d tippit killed ?

Postby pio » Sun May 08, 2011 4:16 pm

so it seems certain that tippit was killed around 1.05 maybe 1.06 ,and not 1.16 as the commission contend . and this contention is based on the time of the call being 1.16 ,but you have to remember the call was made after the shooting and that benavides hid in his truck untill he felt safe ,then went to tippits aid and then went to the poilce car to make a call for help .

so it could have been anywhere from 3 to 5 minutes from the time of tippit being shot and bowley arriving and helping benavides ,that makes the time of the shooting (going by the warren commision )at about 1.11 .the commisions own test proved that the quickest oswald could get to tenth and patton was 14 minutes and 30 seconds and that was walking at a very brisk pace it would have been a struggle for him (probably impossible )to make it on time at 1.16 ,if earlene roberts is correct in her timing oswald doesnt arrive at tenth and patton untill 1.19 all most 1.20 too late to have killed tippit .

so the commision decided he came home to his rooming house about 12.55 and left shortly after (1.00 or just before it ) in order that he would have enough time to make it to tenth and patton . now usually the authorities would take the evidence and put it with the witness accounts and come to a conclussion based on the two ,but in this case the authorities are deciding they dont care what the evidence shows or the witnessess said ,we are going to find a way to get oswald to tenth and patton regardless . so they ignored all the witnesses who gave a time of 1.00 or a few minutes after for the time of tipits shooting ,they ignored whalley saying he dropped oswald off about 12.55 about 6 blocks from his rooming house ,they ignored earlene roberts saying he arrived home at 1.00 maybe a little later and stayed 3 to 4 minutes and that he was standing at the bus stop after that ,they ignored bowley who looked at his watch when he arrived at tenth and patton and the time was 1.10 and tippit had been shot and killed anywhere between 3 and 5 minutes before he arrived ,but they ignored some thing else .

they ignored the ambulance which took tippit to the methodist hospital ,tippit was declared dead at the methodist hospital at 1.15 how can that be if he is laying dead on tenth and patton at 1.16 while bowley makes a call for help ? . the pcture proving that tippit was dead at the methodist hospital at 1.15 is to large to post here so here is a link to it
http://www.whokilledjfk.net/tippit.htm
its about the fifth picture down it says tippits death certificate (but thats incorrect ) its an authorised permit for autopsy . that makes it clear that bowley was accurate in saying he arrived at 1.10 and called for help the ambulance arrived in a few minutes and was back at the hospital a few minutes later at 1.15 and tippit was DOA. it also in my opinion makes it clear that the truth was never an option for the commision because the truth did not allow oswald to be tippits killer so they invented their own version of the truth .
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